xrdc
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2009 12:28:56 PM
“Islam is politics or it is nothing” - Ayatollah Khomeini
See also: The Shariah
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bobbyd28
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Message Posted: Apr 1, 2009 8:07:49 PM
religion is good to it sense as long as the person look to itself and see
why there were so many problem in this world. one thinks there belief is
good and yet they never follow the teaching. no religion condone hurting and killing of people only people who insert politics to its belief does this heinous crime.
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Message Posted: Mar 17, 2009 11:50:23 PM
Bunch of LOONS by ABDULLA THE BUTCHER and CLOWN
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granitestater
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Message Posted: Dec 8, 2008 2:39:05 AM
Dateline Bombay/Mumbai--Muslim terroists target tourists/Westerners for execution. Where is the outrage? Danish cartoonist draws an image of Mohammed--riots all over the Muslim world--why?
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Message Posted: Oct 29, 2008 12:16:14 PM
Sort of interesting, that when comparing 21st century so called honour killings by muslims, they refer to 14th CENTURY Crusade killings. Done in a war setting TO THE OPPONENTS.
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granitestater
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Message Posted: Oct 29, 2008 3:24:33 AM
'Islam' means surrender or submission in Arabic. 'Salem' or 'salaam' means peace, as in Jerusalem or City of Peace. In the Koran, peace is only granted to those who surrender to God--meaning become Muslim. Refusal means death...
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2008 8:51:37 AM
Dear Supersonic, you made a lot of very good comments. I can not disagree with much of what you are saying here. But, just want to point out that when in a group majority of what you hear and see is the evil doing of the followers, it is hard not to stereotype!! When you look around and see that most of the time that there is a car bombing, suicide bombing, beheading, terroristic actions, ..., unfortunately some one is doing it in the name of the Islam, then it won't take long when the religion is directly connected to these negative acts in our minds.
I have said this many times in the past, and say it again, when I was learning about Islam, it was nothing like what we see the followers do now. The religion and what is done in the name of it are no where alike...
Imagine if the religion itself was a beautiful white robe. Pure, warm, and lovely; a perfect fit in every way... Then that robe is thrown in the swamp. You no longer can expect the passerby look at this mud and algae covered robe and see what a beautiful white robe it once was. All they see is a dirty stinking piece of rag which all they want to do is to get as far from it as possible... It is not the fault of the robe that it is in this shape, but the one(s) who got it in that shape!!
You mentioned the Christianity and the actions taken in it's name. Does any of that mean that the religion itself is an evil one? Not at all. Those were and are actions of a group. Thanks God that these are not followed by a majority of the Christians. KKK, snake handlers, etc. are just a very very small group...
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Supersonic_Gett
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2008 1:31:02 PM
WOW, I'm amazed to read some of these comments, made by some good Christian people! If you have not read the Quran yourself do not comment on it! If you have not read the Bible yourself do not comment on it! If you do not know what Islam is, and have only gone to what you have heard about, then do not comment on! Knowledge is a very powerful thing, when someone thinks, and I said think they know something they will stand behind it and fight for it with their dear life. Take the time and actually read and understand Islamic culture.
It is wrong, or any religious group to take the life of another in the name of religion!! Most of you should agree with that. Have you ever stop and think what happened during the Crusades in Europe. Weren't Christians killing innocent women and children and men that were not converting to Christianity? King Arthur and the Knights of the round table they were supposed to be killing people in the Middle East that did not convert to Christianity. It's in the history books, but they have toned it down, Christians do not want to remember those horrible times in the recent past history. Now we have many different types of Christians. We have so many different types of Christianity, in the Appalachian Mountains those Christians dance with rattlesnakes on Sunday morning church services. Some Christians will tell you that's not part of Christianity, but it is part of their culture and they are Christianity (people in the Appalachian Mountains). Can we judge all Christians off of that.
Should we judge any group of people by the handful of those who make it bad? Should we judge all white people are having black people enslaved? Should we judge all of the German people because of what happened to the Jews. Should be judge all the Christians because of what they've done to the pagan people. And if you're Christian, truly a Christian the Bible says, Judge not, or you be judged. This planet that we live on is no longer as big as we thought. There are virtually over 2 billion Muslims in the world today. If it was such a horrible religion their numbers would be decreasing. But instead it is the fastest growing religion today. After September 11, the most horrible day in the history of the United States. Literally thousands of archbishops converted to Islam. Why is that? The Pope requested no more archbishops to read the Quran.
I believe all the terrorist need to be assassinated!!! After stating that, go to the FBI website and read about all the terrorist organizations that are in the United States. All those terrorist organizations are owned and operated by white Americans, you probably did not know that, don't forget Oklahoma City.
Now after reading all of that, you probably want to know what religion am I . I do not follow any religious group. I believe in a superior enlightenment.
Thank you for reading my comments
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6cyl
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Message Posted: Jun 10, 2008 5:46:07 PM
If your intent is to compare Islam to Christianity...then absolutely 'yes' is the answer to your question. Christianity is WAY BETTER than Islam. Notwithstanding your ridiculous and baseless examples.
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6cyl
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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2008 11:49:20 PM
You must have "studied Islam" through a SEARS mail order catalog. The very name Islam means SUBJUGATION not peace! You so obviously have a an agenda attempting to propagate the hateful Islam cult upon us.
When those "good" Muslims rise up en-mass against terrorism and murder in the name of Allah the false prophet...only then will they be recognized as a "peaceful" people. Until then...they should all be profiled and watched intently by everyone.
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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2008 9:29:08 PM
If you study Islam, you would find that it is about peace and love. This is true. Most Muslims do not agree with war and death. Just like in Christianity there are a handful of bad ones who go shooting up their schools in the name of God or whomever. I am not Muslim. I do not defend those who have caused harm to others. I do defend the good Muslim's who have to fear for their lives and be afraid to worship their beliefs due to stereotyping.
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Message Posted: May 27, 2007 3:28:26 AM
just like lala2005 said thats exactly what islam is,thank you!! lala, how old are you,just wondering?
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Message Posted: Sep 16, 2006 8:41:48 PM
Yawn...religion sucks.
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2006 8:21:02 AM
Jesus Love You
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Sohayl
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2006 1:28:52 PM
Dear xlmini,
I am in full agreement with what you are saying. Indeed a lot of evil is being done in the name of religion. That does not take away from the religion. I can not blame the entire Christian world for the actions of some. The same applies to the Muslims. I too and not a Muslim, so my input has been from the eyes of one who was raised in a Muslim country, had to go to school and had no choice but take part in Islamic studies... That said, I have many Muslim friends and as of yet have not heard any of them agree with what is going on. Maybe I have chosen my friends well! :-)
Many of the Muslims are not in agreement with what is done, but unfortunately the group that is doing it is very strong. So, if you live in that part of the world and dare to say anything against what is happening, you are signing your death certificate. As such, most keep their mouth shut and try to stay alive. These groups have people here in this country and many others around the world. I read some local papers from other parts of the world where the outspoken Muslims (against them) were killed just a few days ago. It is hard for us in a free country understand the real way that these people live, the daily threats they have to deal with, the way they have to do things so no one will try to kill them for it... In Iraq where we went to liberate the people, now innocent people are getting killed daily. No it is not in the hands of the Americans, rather the so called Muslims are killing their own. Just a week or so ago the Men Tennis team members were shot. Why? because they dared to wear shorts in the 100+ degrees weather when playing tennis. With mentality like that, what can any one say?!?
In Iran, members of other religions are under a constant attack. The Baha'i youth are not allowed to go to universities. A month ago some 30 youth were arrested and taken to jail when they were providing free classes to the under previlaged children in one of the major cities in Iran. They had governmental approvals to provide the classes. Their crime? Most of the instructors were Baha'i youth. Being a member of the Baha'i faith is criminal act punishable by death. What sense does that make?!
I can go on and on with all the wrongs that are being done in the world in the name of religion and in the name of God. These wee a few examples of the Muslim world. Those who say anything in that part of the world play with their lives... I should get back to work now.
All and all what i am saying is in full agreement of what you are saying.
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NISKYMOM
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2006 8:55:07 AM
Well said xlmini!!!!!
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Message Posted: Jul 17, 2006 8:29:59 AM
Dear xlmini,
You are correct, this is not a forum to encourage ANY kind of radicalism. You had a couple of interesting points. I should point out that what I am writing here is in accordance to the Islamic beliefs, and not my own.
You said "That false Islamic teaching about "Virgins" in the after-life?"
This is actually not a false belief. In Islamic teachings it has been said that those who go to heaven will be awaited for by virgins. This religion was brough to the Arabs over a thousand years ago at a time that multiple wives were the norm of the day. So, it made sense to explain things to the nomads in a way that they understood and relayed to it. The time has changed and our values have changed also; and we do not leave in the middle of the Sahara! Simply put, at the time it made sense.
"Anyway, if polygamy is wrong on earth, why would it be OK in heaven?"
Again, in the time of the start of the religion, it was put that way so that the women could have some protection. Consider the harsh environment that the Arabs lived in. It was not unusual for the men to go out and be killed (some things haven't changed much!!) So their widows were left without any protection. So, Muhammad, gave permission to the Muslims to marry more than one woman. As such members of the family of the husband (i.e. the brother) would marry and bring the sister in law to his household and protect her... Again, we are talking about a time and belief that is more than a thousand years have past...
I will not make my daughter to marry anyone. She is the one that has to make that choice not me! I love both my children and like you want nothing but the best for them. I have tried very hard to teach them both that men and women have equal rights and like the two wings of a bird need to have the same rights. Imagine how a bird would attempt to fly if one wing was bigger or more dominant over the other. The bird would not be able to take flight. Humanity needs to understand that we all have equal rights and then and only then we would be able to take the magnificent flight into making this earth unto the heaven... Sorry about getting a bit preachy!
Have a great day.
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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2006 12:51:43 AM
Dear nmrst53 and all,
Thank you forr the note and your input. Also, thank you peacanpr forr the inforrmation about the Nation of Islam. This brings a good issue up, many people don't really know that there is a difference between Islam and the Nation of Islam. I will not dare to do any comparisons, as I do not have a in depth knowledge of Nation of Islam.
I also point out, that I am not a Muslim, but was raised in a middle Eastern country and as such had to participate in the Islamic Studies courses from the first grade on...
Islam the religion is in no way a promoter of terrorism. The forllowers, or those who claim to forllow the religion, is a different matter all together! It is likened to Christianity and those who claim to be Christians, namely the KKK. There is nowhere in the Holy Bible that Jews, blacks, ... have been put down the way the members of this group is claiming it to be. Does the action of the membership of this group takes away an iota from the truth of the Christianity? Not at all. Should the action of the so called Muslims take away from Islam? I say, no, for the same reason as above.
We are big bys and girls, have the ability to think forr ourselves, and more importantly not to fall forr the propaganda that we are being fed by the politicians... May God keep safe all who are true believers of any religion, Baha'i, Christian, Jewish, Muslim, ... Zoroastrian.
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Message Posted: Jun 7, 2006 11:26:41 PM
Mrst53:
I am glad that you said that I know for that you are true to your religion because you do not condemn. You need to hear what LRB is saying in the postings "Islam a religion that Spawns Terroist"
This is what most so-called Christians believe so it is nice to hear a Christian that does not condemn Islam.
By the way Muslims (Nation of Islam) do beleive in Jesus and all of his miracles and healings. What they don't believe is that he is the messenger for thier particular people. They believe that Master Fard Muhammad was their messenger. It does not take away Jesus existance. They also believe that Jesus was flesh (human) not some made up (supernatural) being.
Hope that helps.
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Message Posted: Jun 1, 2006 8:24:05 PM
to soberwizard and Sohayl, thank you for your explanations at the beginning of the posts. I went back to the beginning to see exactly what everyone had to say. I had always been told that the true followers of Islam did not believe in violence and that the terrorists that we see today are not following the true meaning of Islam. As a born again Christian, I believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of God, but I do not condem you for what you believe.
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2005 9:21:27 PM
To be honest, I can not argue with your statement. It sure seems that the radicals have done so!
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2005 5:38:30 PM
i believe that, however, radicals have hijacked a sacred religion for evil purposes. It is a shame
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Sohayl
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2005 10:01:47 AM
The quote below is almost a hundred years old, but such a statement is timeless and so true at any time. Just something to ponder on!
"Religion should unite all hearts and cause wars and disputes to vanish from the face of the earth; it should give birth to spirituality, and bring light and life to every soul. If religion becomes a cause of dislike, hatred and division it would be better to be without it, and to withdraw from such a religion would be a truly religious act. For it is clear that the purpose of a remedy is to cure, but if the remedy only aggravates the complaint, it had better be left alone. Any religion which is not a cause of love and unity is no religion."
'Abdu'l-Baha
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Gazelle167
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2005 11:08:27 AM
You're lumping together and interchanging Islamists, extremists, and Muslims. Extremists do not speak for Muslims, and Islam is NOT concerned with world domination and using fear in any way. And I agree, not everyone believes Jesus is the only path to God or heaven.
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hempbagmonk
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2005 9:22:03 AM
wake yourself up...maybe he's not!!
Yourselfs.
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dfabish2
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2005 9:26:43 AM
Thank you, hempbagmonk and soberwizard. It's very easy (and very unproductive) to revert to blind hatred and acrimony. It's much harder, but ultimately more effective, to engage in positive discussion on areas of disagreement.
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2005 12:18:06 PM
"Until we can agree to disagree (something I said at the beginning), nothing will change and we will be at each other's throats"
I'm with you...
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2005 12:13:40 PM
Easy there, fly! If you read back, I'm one who tries to help people see that we are all imperfect beings. I resent the statement "You and sobberwizard have a memory problem,all you remember is what muslims did." I've said all along that the actions of a few should not reflect on the whole. It seems to me that all that gets brought up, time and again, is hate. Read what lala wrote as an intro. Go back to the very beginning and read what was discussed before politics and "who committed the greatest wrong" took over this thread.
I have been misquoted, accused of attacking others, and had my words twisted in all sorts of ways. And it's very tiresome. I've even been attacked for the site name that I've chosen! Still I come back, less lately (for some unknown reason...yeah, right), and try to speak words of peace and love. Yes, I've lost my temper, and maybe that cancels out everything that I've said, but a man only has so many cheeks to turn...and I feel sometimes that I've run out long ago.
The topic is Islam. But it may well be any of the other religions. We all profess to teach peace and love above all else. Why is it then that all we can do, even in these pages, is fight about beliefs. Until we can agree to disagree (something I said at the beginning), nothing will change and we will be at each other's throats. Have individuals of all faiths committed terrible wrongs? Yes!! But does that mean that anyone who practices a religion, any religion, is evil? I think not. Now you may begin to misquote me again.
And you could also try to spell my name right. I would appreciate that.
[Edited by: soberwizard at 11/30/2005 12:15:55 PM EST]
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Sohayl
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2005 9:20:21 AM
It seems to me that we are mixing two different subjects here. Islam the religion is what I thought was being discussed, but somehow politics have become the focal point! The pure religion of Islam would be completely against everything that is taking place in the name of the religion these days. The situation that has been created due to a bunch of idiots using their own agenda of hate by attacking and killing the innocent people (Arabs, Americans, Brits, Africans, ...). The madness is not from the religion, but the those who name themselves followers of the religion and do nothing that is in accord with the teachings of the religion.
It has been discussed here in a couple of occasions that this is not something new and exclusive of Islam, we have the cases of those who confess to be Christians and then do abhorrent acts which is anything but what the Christianity teaches. Should the act of a few idiots completely overshadow the reality of the religion? Should we look at the acts of KKK members and then condemn the Holy religion of Christianity?
Granted that today almost every terroristic act is being carried by those relating themselves to Islam, but there are many others who call themselves followers of other religions who are doing the same. If Moslems were the only ones, then the rest of the world, outside of the Islamic lands should be nothing but a corner of Paradise. And that we know is not true. Let's accept the fact that we are living in tumultuous time and as such the pangs of pain have enveloped us all. The only way to end this, is by putting hatred of any kind aside and open the bridges of understanding and unity. So powerful is the light of unity that will eliminate hatred...
Now I get off of my soap box... Have a safe and happy holidays every one. May you all be safe and under the shadow of protection of God, the one and only one though He is called by many names.
PS I am not a Moslem!
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fly82
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2005 9:03:15 AM
Kempo,
your right about what you said, and your in the navy and you probably know more than anyone whats really happeneing out there. But what happened in those prisons in Iraq I believe kind of triggered their anger, you think what that british girl did was right? So she doesn't treat them as humans. See thats against any religion isn't it. If the strong is going to treat the weak like that the war will never end and us and muslims and jews will fight till we end this world.
See what I think, is that not all navy, or army people like you went to Iraq to do his or her job, some went to take revenge. Gosh when they show those videos on the history channel of how Saddam used to throw people off a high building to hurt them, why would we go and hurt them more right. Would I or you want a powerful muslim here to do that to us.
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2005 6:11:22 AM
fly,
I'm in the navy and I've hit liberty ports in the middle east. Granted those were before we went into Iraq, but then we're not nearly as welcome as we used to be or there's a terrorist threat or something. SO I have experienced it. In general, Muslims aren't bad. Just like everybody else, there those who aren't the best people in the world, but they tend to be the exeption.
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fly82
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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2005 3:04:40 PM
kempo831, I believe a person never knows the real truth unless he experiences it himself. Ive got alot of friends from all religions, one of my best friends is in bussiness here in Toledo and believe me him and his family are great respectful people. Im not saying every Muslim family is perfect, but not every jewish or christian family is either.
Ive met many muslim family's that have welcomed me into their homes, and I saw in my own eyes how these families live. Go experience it for yourself if you dont believe me. Meet an arab family and you'll see how you'll change your opinion about alot of things.
[Edited by: fly82 at 11/22/2005 3:05:15 PM EST]
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fly82
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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2005 2:58:49 PM
first of all ToledoLaw05 I dont put much time in writing these paragraphs because believe me I have a lot more important stuff to do, than to sit on the internet for hours and express my hate. I dont hate a certain religion, I hate every foolish person that only has hate inside. People like you live their lives lonely and sad. By the way hate is a sin ToledLaw05.
If your christian you should know that.
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ToledoLaw05
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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2005 2:44:17 PM
Fly - Since you say that you own one of the biggest manufacturing companies here in town, I would suggest grammer school.
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kempo831
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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2005 1:37:35 PM
fly,
That's quite a claim to say you know more about Islam than anybody. Where did you gain this wealth of knowledge?
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fly82
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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2005 11:00:55 AM
You know what ToledoLaw05, Im christian but believe it or not I believe now that we should all shut up, and not pretend we're perfect.
I havent seen a muslim Leader sexually abuse little boys yet so I guess now a muslim should call all of us rappests right.Gosh u guys have nothing else but hating and telling lies.
So ToledoLaw did oops did you forget that thousans of americans are being killed and rapped by christians. You and sobberwizard have a memory problem,all you remember is what muslims did. Us and Jews are angels right. Well Mr. Law go and learn the real stuff. I know more than anybody about Islam, actually our bible is the one that was interpreted by priests.
opps did u know that
[Edited by: fly82 at 11/22/2005 11:06:06 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2005 9:28:49 AM
Oops. I forgot a word...I almost "wish" this thread...sorry.
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2005 5:23:16 PM
I almost this thread was as vacant as it was when lala2005 first started it. Now there's almost as much "hatred" as that displayed in the sad events: 9/11, the US Cole, Chechnia, Kosivo, Israel, Sudan, Philopeans, Indonesia, Embassy Bombings: listed below. And if you did happen to read some of what originally was posted, you might see discussions, not attacks. The fact that we all have different opinions is the reason that the Quran has been interpreted in so many different ways by so many different people. That is why we have the problems that we have. And until there is the ability to agree to disagree, we will have them.
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2005 4:21:04 PM
Yes, those items you listed were conducted by Muslims (or at least people who call themselves Muslims). But they were also, by and large, conducted by men. So would you condemn all men?? They represent a radical fringe, not the mainstream of Muslim society.
Violence conducted in the name of religion is not unique to Muslims. Right now, it's the most prevalent, but go back a bit and it was the Christians who were the primary perpetrators of religious violence. Not too long ago, Catholics and Protestants were blowing each other up in Ireland. And right now, Hindus are going after Muslims in India and Kashmir. And what about David Koresh and his merry band of Christian warriors?
Just because a small group of radicals has co-opted Islam as an excuse for violence is no reason to condemn more than a billion people trying to live peacefully.
[Edited by: dfabish2 at 9/27/2005 4:21:31 PM EST]
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ToledoLaw05
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2005 11:35:54 AM
dfabish --
ur right i forgot about the violence conducted by muslims on 9/11, the US Cole, Chechnia, Kosivo, Isreal, Sudan, Philopeans, Indonesia, Embassy Bombings, all in the past 5 years.
You are right - it is all about peace
I wonder who made up those slanderous stories we read every day in the news
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Message Posted: Sep 26, 2005 4:01:27 PM
ToledoLaw, if you have read as much of the Old Testament as you appear to have read of the Quran, you know that it contains many passages like what you just quoted. Rather than picking specific lines from a holy book, look at the actions of the people. If you look at the Muslims of the world, you will find that the vast majority of them are looking to live in peace with the rest of the world.
As for those who preach hatred, well, we can find those people among the population of all the world's religions. That's no reason to condemn the entire population.
Try to channel some of your energy into understanding the people, rather than reading selected pieces of a historical document, and maybe you'll find that they're not so different.
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ToledoLaw05
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Message Posted: Sep 26, 2005 2:44:42 PM
"O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors; they are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Quran, 5:51
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Message Posted: Sep 26, 2005 11:27:39 AM
I was not putting down either way of religion. Nor was my intention that of defilement. I was treating childish words with childish words in return. But you are right and I apologize. I very seldom even discuss religion for this very reason--sometimes my temper gets the best of me. Thank you for the pull-up, Sohayl.
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Message Posted: Sep 18, 2005 9:36:59 AM
Sober & wilw, come on you two, if we can not discuss things in a mature way, then it is best not to do this at all!! Why the two of you agree that you can not accept the other person's way of thinking, and that means that you agree to disagree. There is NO room for attacking and more importantly putting down the holy writings of any religion, whether you agree or disagree. Both the Holy Bible and the Quran if nothing at all are talking about the Lord, so that alone should be sufficient not to, so shamefully, be a source of defilement.
Please discuss thing, and stay civil to each other. Neither of you are acting the way a person who is trying to defend God's Words should ever act...
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2005 10:23:43 PM
If you feel that way, why dont you use your bible, since it seems that you use it for nothing else anyway.
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Message Posted: Sep 7, 2005 12:08:51 PM
Jesus said, "Come unto me all ye that labor and are heavy laden and I will give you rest."
Know Jesus - Know Peace
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Message Posted: Sep 5, 2005 1:34:58 PM
Too bad we can't get BBC2 but the articles are enlightning. Feature on taking back Islam from the extreemists. BBC: Battle for Islam
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Message Posted: Sep 4, 2005 5:45:35 PM
I believe you're right, FH. But it comes back to what I've said from the very beginning...interpretation of the words. You could also throw in these abominations, as you so appropriately put it, telling the people what they want to hear, ultimately that their God is betterand they should make everyone else in the world see that. I've beat the solution to death, but still see it as the only way. Until we ALL see that peace is the only way we can all live together, differences in creeds be damned, we will continue to be a world at war. This doesn't mean that I believe these abominations should be left alone, either. I believe we're doing the right thing in the middle east, if not the right way.
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2005 11:34:11 PM
"Islam does not have a religious heirarchy...Islam is a religion"
If this were true, this thread would be dead. The truth is that not only is Islam a religion but it is all too often the basis of government; especially in the middle east. The leaders of these governments have been oppressing their people and trying to conquer the world in the name of Islam since the 7th century. Even the worst of the crusades was not only very short lived but poorly regarded in Christendom despite centuries of Islamic jihads.
The Quran denounces the killing of innocent non-combatants, specifically unarmed women, children and the aged. It also specifically says that anyone who commits suicide regardless of reason is going to re-experience the horror of their own death in hell for eternity. How then is it that so many muslims support abominations like bin laden? How is it that the Sunnis can do what they're doing to the people of Somalia. How can the Taleban be so cruel to fellow muslims? The same goes for the regime in Iran.
There ARE leaders in Islam. Many of them are dictators. Some are radical murderers. The rest, well, who knows?
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2005 4:08:55 PM
Still active, though I'm not UtahMuslim. I can't answer your question, though I like it. As I understand it, they pick a spiritual leader from his actions. Example: Bin Laden was chosen because he stood up to the west and "beat us at our own game." I only wish "our own game" didn't include the senseless killing that he seemed to focus on. It was pretty much the same with the Ayatola (?) in the 70's. And I'll repeat it here as well. Until acceptance becomes a word people understand and use freely, we will still have wars and hatred.
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